An Ornament to the Colony: The Governor's Palance at New Bern and the Modernizing of Colonial North Carolina - Sabbatical talk by Christian Koot

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Okay, Koot, Christian: Uh: Koot, Christian: correct. So the in terms of the waitness for the kinds of history tells the kinds of people that it talks about people. What are the interesting things to me now? I've lost um the one of the since to me about the Clara viable, and this place. Um! Is this picture? Koot, Christian: Uh? Because this community? Um in the nineteen fifty um! And if you look at pictures of the excavations that a Harvard archaeologist did. It's all black with all African American label,

Koot, Christian: the population like urban removal. So I want those things to be part of that story as well. Koot, Christian: Um, i'm at the beginning of the project. Um, as as I said a couple of times, so i'm happy to hear any thoughts that you have. I'm incredibly happy to hear those, and i'm happy to talk more about what those other parts of the project. Um, that'd be that? Koot, Christian: Okay,

Koot, Christian: So to the the actual account. Um. So in seventeen, sixty-six. William, Trial, newly established Governor of North Carolina, began to plan a new capital city in the river Tab, Koot, Christian: new Governor in British America lives in purpose built and publicly funded Governor's residence. In fact, the only other real one in the Koot, Christian: In the continental region North America is in Virginia. There was to be one in Maryland in an atlas that was never Koot, Christian: so to live in one, and to insist on it to be such a high style, one in a capital city, a small

Koot, Christian: yeah, remarkably Koot, Christian: so her try and convince the financially strapped North Carolina Assembly Koot, Christian: pay for most of the costs during the period of taxable against the British Government, and at a moment. But North Carolina was suffering from a lack of paper money, and the Koot, Christian: as far as depending to answer this question in two ways. Um one. They argue that trial simply one of the monument to done Banning, and I was willing to sacrifice the interest of the colony to do that for himself, because he deserved it in such a place.

Koot, Christian: Um, even though Koot, Christian: the funding of it required three oppressive taxes that led to a pretty famous taxable of the Regulator rebellion in the interior of North Carolina during the administration Koot, Christian: more terribly some stories about it as a artifact of his close relationship with assembly. This is really about the Koot, Christian: How are you, instead, that we need to understand trials, efforts within the wire context, a reforming version,

Koot, Christian: and see in this way the power center is not the single pr of corruption, or whether it's a critical part of current efforts to connect with Carolina new elements in British Empire that centered around efficiency, commercial wealth, and civic order. Koot, Christian: Government governorship begin in a difficult moment, and North North American colonies in general in North Carolina in particular, Koot, Christian: in the week of the Seven Years War Um. It has resulted in the expulsion of the French from North America. Koot, Christian: Um! Many more. Many of your American Communists whistle that British efforts,

Koot, Christian: the centralized floor administration and raise revenue to support the fact that there was a consolidation of the Empire as Minister. The Department looked out at this new big empire. But how are we going to get people over the place? Koot, Christian: Well process in North Carolina. Against this increasing centralization we're not in. There's a Massachusetts, for, for example, Koot, Christian: we're immediately, however, Koot, Christian: North Carolina is played by pretty significant internal tensions. In key among these, with the people between Eastern audience, who are closely tied to the company, held the most

Koot, Christian: political economic power, and small farmers, maybe arriving in the interior. Um, who are struggling essentially Koot, Christian: um, and it gets into the columns economy all while instituting centralized reforms that we're coming from. Koot, Christian: So challenge college that in some ways, and a personal statement of this centralized British power on North Carolina, Koot, Christian: the policies try on pursuit, and he convinced the Assembly to go along with, included, not just building the power, but establishing regular postal service, with calling improving other aspects of the colonies. Transportation infrastructure, particularly his roads and ferry system.

Koot, Christian: So, when combined with the new palace, a more connected colony, a modern efficient government in clear borders with a I work for Lydia. But the same modernizing elements of the wider empire. In the same decade Koot, Christian: he simply supported these efforts, indicates that the many American comments Um! That those of you would eventually reject the more centralized and active um fire that emerged after the seven years for the of North Carolina. In the seventies. Koot, Christian: The latter years of previous Governor Harbor Jobs administration for one of considerable people, including clashing with the Assembly over pretty much every issue being forced by the ministers um in Koot, Christian: twenty-six twenty-eight months without a function report system in this period of of sort of keep, fighting and scrolling,

Koot, Christian: and also me try and put both plans into action, Koot, Christian: and his first target was the issue that perhaps best testified North Carolina or factionals. That was the location of the calling Koot, Christian: North Carolina, which was separated from South Carolina in one thousand seven hundred and twelve didn't have permanent capital. In fact, it moved around. Koot, Christian: There are several efforts in the the capital, but they never want that to, because North Carolina is politics. We're dominated, first of all by elites living in the eastern part of the company,

Koot, Christian: and they were dominated by two factions, the Cape Fear Fraction, who were largely producing naval schools, things like pine and pitch and tar, that they sent to pulse them, or they said to England that we use for building shift between those kinds of things Koot, Christian: in this period and these two factions we're both geographically distance and their economic interests, where they want to cover. For a long time it was in the region it was into for a little bit, and moved back forward. Koot, Christian: So it's not surprising that the you're in brand, and this is the place that try on picks for the new calling. At first he Koot, Christian: um as well before eventually the sliding on you for a realizing that centralized location could help with the difference between distractions.

Koot, Christian: The other thing that he's thinking about is the rapid population of this region which is attracting. Koot, Christian: These are German. These are um Koot, Christian: Moravian. These are Scotch Irish farmers that are flowing into the into colonial America in this period are coming down Shenville Valley, coming down to Virginia and looking for land in this region, as they continue to steal that land. Koot, Christian: So he,

Koot, Christian: as I said, when you were um was selected. Um! There were less than probably one thousand five hundred, five hundred and one thousand five hundred residents uh living in about one hundred and fifty house. We besides that Newb is going to be the capital, Koot, Christian: but it is a little place first of all, A. T, with between it's connected to some of these interior areas. We're so that I Koot, Christian: and it is like the intersection of these two rivers. Now, these rivers are now good for large ships beyond Uber. This falls up here, but the hope was the new burn would be come sort of a future reach out. It could connect through chemical sound Koot, Christian: out into the Atlantic. It could take smaller boats down these rivers, load and reload them. It also would be a governmental sector, and this is what try on it for the potential of this region,

Koot, Christian: Luckily for try on, the assembly stood ready to support Zephyr within weeks of crowd, first proposing the funding, and the governor's have new bird. The Assembly allocated. Try on five thousand pounds on the project, and place him in charge of its building. Koot, Christian: He was well prepared for the time, because before the party in Britain for North Carolina tried, had already engaged young good experience, build their architect, John Hawks, to come with him to North America, so he's there. He's got architect in the Assembly Koot, Christian: the building that hockey side had instructed likely to try, and it was a classical Georgian. Two story seven May seven days Koot, Christian: um symmetrical structure, complete with the forty pediment decorated that spans center. Three days of of the entrance for

Koot, Christian: symmetrical phone steps leading to a similarly Koot, Christian: the first four rooms to the five public room, two service spaces and a Grant staircase, and that's on the left. Here. Koot, Christian: Um! These were highly decorated rooms, most important of which was the Council room. Um where the Governor's Council met um. Koot, Christian: You went through a marble floor uh entrance hall that had these little um out codes the statues um into an elaborate stair hall with a two story mahogany stairway with a glass cupola at the top to bring natural light to it into a council room,

Koot, Christian: um which was itself uh thirty-six by twenty-two feet larger than most Carolinian phones. In the eighteenth century. I'm. A highlighted space with coordinate marble chimney makers um in Britain, Koot, Christian: two twin full length portraits of first thirty in Charlotte reinforce important to this room the how the meetings Council, through gathering, may counsel, assembly and other oral events. There is also a library, a dining room, and a parlor, as well as um some service spaces Koot, Christian: here on that first floor. Koot, Christian: Um! Each of these rooms was highly decorated. The dining room had ceiling to sort of maximize the amount of light in it. Um!

Koot, Christian: Upstairs there were rooms for uh try on, and his wife um and their family members their daughter um as well as dressing rooms and workspaces. Um for Koot, Christian: okay basement and the full and and twins curved colonies connected to to Koot, Christian: sitting slightly elevated Koot, Christian: uh along the Trent River just before um, It would have been viewable to those arriving, and it turned those inside the house kind of fine process of the river

Koot, Christian: as a whole. The palace that trial and pox had built. New Bird was one of the most fashionable buildings in North America, Koot, Christian: so Koot, Christian: it's rigorous, new, and as a public building, and I want to any city in the British America, and in this way connected North Carolina to this wire, Koot, Christian: and i'll share some really important traits for symmetrical.

Koot, Christian: They have. Koot, Christian: The fourth entries will crowd my classical tenants Koot, Christian: that we're often decorated with Koot, Christian: um their window for balanced roads of

Koot, Christian: uh the for ever to be ornamented with costs. It's like trans palest, featured grand central staircases and specialized rooms um accessible on Central always, Koot, Christian: and she is as new possible to Koot, Christian: on the one hand, the building of our work, reader. It's rigorously Georgian new Classical Public Building, North Carolina, by a new governor, eager to establish order, symbolized virtual. Koot, Christian: On the other hand,

Koot, Christian: the design of China's talents there a line or a fair wire with the modernizing performs, they become increasingly. Koot, Christian: It's not a story. It's a quick quote Koot, Christian: among General: All Georgian design elements share the public architecture of Britain. Mark to North Carolina as well. You know just the similarity of the of Britain, and it's modern. Koot, Christian: These ideas about architects are important to you. Think about architecture as important to face, except we're specially in one thousand seven hundred and sixty. It's the British Empire added millions for a miles, and territories around the world.

Koot, Christian: Victory over the front and their hours and seven years more in the experience. We are being around almost three decades of conflict on superior, but also conference to reconsider how to integrate these new diverse people of these provinces into their empire. Koot, Christian: I Koot, Christian: one way that you can use yourself to do this was by increasing the power of governors. You can find some ways more dependent on a lot of the forward, eliminating corruption, interrupting legal trade and raising revenue Koot, Christian: architecture.

Koot, Christian: The most important way to still share Koot, Christian: you by set up sentiments and still good order. Spectral authority on which you, Koot, Christian: This speaking about the power of architecture explained by Georgia, First Ministers, the Board of Trade encouraged to building a public building just like trying to tell us. According to the Georgian, I view all across the Empire in the mid one thousand seven hundred and sixtys, perhaps most importantly, Um in Jamaica, Koot, Christian: a much less for nonetheless significant set of both public building will be planned in Pensacola and new calling in Box Florida at properly at the same time

Koot, Christian: here Military Engineer Alliance. Okay, bye, Koot, Christian: there are some um Koot, Christian: allowances for the environment. For example, it has exterior balcony. The barracks have exterior balconies and stairs because of the warm. Nevertheless, the resemblance to this new platform,

Koot, Christian: and we know they're trying to assembly. We're deliberately trying to align North Carolina with the British idea of the reforming power of Jordan design because of the in planning the power. Koot, Christian: Clearly, Trial believed in the power of architecture. After all, he had brought hawks with it. They already planned to do this before. Koot, Christian: Not only that, but the reason why we have the broad is because transfer them directly to the team for his approval in one thousand nine hundred and sixty-six. Koot, Christian: And we know that the assembly agreed, because we have evidence that try on, submitted other drones to the assembly right before they voted first for five thousand pounds, and then for another ten thousand, seven, or try off to complete the

Koot, Christian: where he promised to exert his quote on most endeavors to the the liberty of your vote for finishing the at benefits you'd be applied to the best advantage into the pro area of this government and the publicity of its inhabitants. Koot, Christian: It was more than just about it. It was more than just about Koot, Christian: okay, as impressive. And this as the Governor's palace. Well, there's not the only effort that trying to be to modernize and rationalize the Colonies administration. Koot, Christian: We certainly became governor in seventy five, who shocked the fine but lack of a reliable North Carolina

Koot, Christian: Uh it's worth saying. Koot, Christian: It's really hard to navigate to the other banks. Um! You know this Um. There are that currents with the least accessible to Atlantic trade. Um! So the road Koot, Christian: not only that, but the rivers south of the trends all flow the South Koot, Christian: really sort of for,

Koot, Christian: Uh. Koot, Christian: Okay. So the location of the Provinces security was a calculated to draw attention to the support from metropolitan government. Koot, Christian: This discussion of conflict also would have brought to mind the important role that road building and communication had played and pacifying the Koot, Christian: the Postmaster General we find necessary to create a,

Koot, Christian: and he took direct personal interest in the project or dozens of layers where he's literally trying to find the needs of people who have in the house and provide for for animal along the way. He is literally directly involved in building this both of the Well, Koot, Christian: I mean by gender of seventeen sixty-six. You've laid out a comprehensive route with slots along the way Koot, Christian: um Koot, Christian: uh one of these. Of course, roads or they were. Um! We need to governance by the legislation, and so the Assembly approved it for county public road that connected Newb with this growing city, a place called Cross Creek, in seventeen sixty

for sure Koot, Christian: uh today, which is soon becoming one of the centers. The other place is here Hillsboro Um, which two is connected by Rose. We can see here um to Newburn and other. Koot, Christian: He also worked the Legislature to establish public funding of ferry, because there are a whole bunch of very problems that are needed as well as bridges. New passage along roadways, it's included rules about how big these bridges were about, how what you could charge drivers. Koot, Christian: Okay, With North Carolina growing so quickly in one thousand seven hundred and sixty establishing new accounts as administrative,

Koot, Christian: Their efforts were exacerbated and activated by the Koot, Christian: so understood because the background of a working regulator, Koot, Christian: Charlie Assembly took an active in making sure that you found it in a rational way, as well as some method of creating order. Koot, Christian: To this side. They approved six laws, regulating and establishing tabs, as well as eight more, and provide for the construction of

Koot, Christian: with the express purpose of the Koot, Christian: So here are some great ideas about planning Koot, Christian: the Koot, Christian: That's why i'm trying to believe in the power of time, plan and advancing our a while and line to publicize these.

Koot, Christian: The viewer, for example, it's a it's it's it's, it's it's it's it's it's. It's. It's and the back above. In fact, it also includes um a Koot, Christian: uh, a creative streets, right angles that are roughly people, blocks that display various levels of development. Buildings appear at regular polygon. Some are called red, perhaps denoting those structured importance, backlogs and gardens That Koot, Christian: was significantly, of course, to fill under construction. It's clearly labeled um complete with the supporting out buildings and a pair of ornamental linking. Koot, Christian: Um. But that actually suggests that we certainly rock by one thousand seven hundred and sixty-nine when he made this map. Um! So that would that suggest to us that, in fact, many of these are not recording what already exist But they're planning this is trying to order

Koot, Christian: uh, along the line of other. Koot, Christian: What extra what extraordinary burst of legislation! December one thousand seven hundred and sixty-seven! January Koot, Christian: these are my past twenty-six. Koot, Christian: Okay. Two related to the construction of the Government's office,

Koot, Christian: one provided from transfer twelve lots of you bird to the site and the other um for the ten thousand pound. We've talked about Koot, Christian: three additional logs pertain to regulating the layout. Three more provided with uh construction of public buildings and other Koot, Christian: is that we also focus on transportation. Nothing was to build into. Koot, Christian: So okay,

Koot, Christian: thank you to um. And the way these buildings are um constructed is uh in the Koot, Christian: and it's a completely

Yeah. Koot, Christian: So Koot, Christian: um, the thing that you're trying to tell us is the sign of ninety-five that says um particular. This part of my um, you see, this time, and in one day Koot, Christian: my wife and I decided to take this room, which is kind of a long way, um tuber, and we were just. I was not. I mean by exactly what question. Why is this

Koot, Christian: another reason to visit um that's? That was the Koot, Christian: No. It's twenty years ago, Koot, Christian: I mean. So I hope that the talk I gave today is a longer bit. I don't

Koot, Christian: it's. Give you a book. Koot, Christian: Yeah, So it seems like um, that what's there today as a stored structure? Yeah, what is the original structure? Um, essentially all this. So during the Revolution side mark, Koot, Christian: he decides to. Koot, Christian: He actually makes a pretty bad. He is like the arm of the

Koot, Christian: um. In fact, it's all ken um in front of the palace, because it's gonna be just a read out because North Carolina is a mobile day, and he's he eventually runs away, and all the um in this period. But um his. Koot, Christian: He's sort of farming in the palace convinces right to the new Koot, Christian: um once you've got and do some pretty significant damage to it, and and sort of under it as well. Um! After the war it's using the school there's dancing, Koot, Christian: so the capital moves to raleigh. It's something ninety-two and essentially it goes away it gets stripped. Um! The best gas is that pieces of it go into newb um, and

Koot, Christian: we would be kind of building. But yeah, Yeah. So so here it is. But yes, um. There are structures like this. I mean, the the most famous is Um, Koot, Christian: Why, house Um, it's not doesn't seem very much okay.

Koot, Christian: So yes. Um. I mean as you As you say, the garbage is an instrumental part of right, because the Koot, Christian: what is clear is that their work arguments that we're likely actually behind. Um. So in the nineties archeologists started looking for the guards. There, there's two different drawings of the graph. Um. I don't think I have them with me. Koot, Christian: But there's no sort of dri of the ground that hawks me that architect me much later, some Tv um, and we're actually it's one of those great archival uh things, the only set of them that exist. Um! Were taken um by a Colombian diploma Koot, Christian: this one for you. And he took that home. Um, And that's how we have it, so that it's

Koot, Christian: um Koot, Christian: um there, no, Koot, Christian: And right through that Masatsugu, Michael: Christian

Masatsugu, Michael: Christian. Hi! The question. Koot, Christian: Okay, Go for it. Masatsugu, Michael: Oh, could you hear me? Masatsugu, Michael: Oh, i'm sorry. Uh! So I

Masatsugu, Michael: I was wondering what how you saw your project in relation to the Masatsugu, Michael: the historiography of Masatsugu, Michael: frontiers, the western frontier, because I think that it's really fascinating your focus on architecture in terms of Masatsugu, Michael: trying to create some kind of socialization, and especially the civilizationist language that's behind it. And then you show it as both the you know, as a something that's happening across the British Empire.

Masatsugu, Michael: But I just wonder, you know, with my own particular interest as an Americanist and sort of this is what this is going to foreshadow. Uh, how you see that work uh? Especially a focus on architecture in relation to uh, how, how it would sort of intervene in the historiography of frontiers. Sure, sure. Koot, Christian: Um! Because I've ever thought about it in terms of press. So it'll be very well, but Koot, Christian: uh is thinking about it in terms of the greater Caribbean. Um. I don't think it's any surprise that most of these governors houses are built in places where slavery is more important. Koot, Christian: Uh, from Virginia down uh in West Florida, in Jamaica. Uh, in fact, the one in Jamaica is, you know, more interesting because they build the Assembly and Governor's house in one thousand seven hundred and sixty-two just after

Koot, Christian: um as a way, I think pretty clearly of a still an order. We're also saying to one that we get things under control. Don't worry um, because that is your but I was such a go for the calling. Um. So I think actually there is. I think it fits into a Koot, Christian: there'd be a plantation link to it, and that's partly about where it's cited in the prospect that it's on um, which is a really important eighteenth century word for the commanding space. Um! So that's actually the literature that that I think It's it's into um. I got to think about the fonts here once you have any great ideas. Masatsugu, Michael: I I often think of it in terms of, you know, through termer, and it's about. You know this clash of, Masatsugu, Michael: you know, civilizations, but it's also focused so much on war and people. And here you're talking about architecture. So I just think that's really interesting. That's Yeah, yeah, I'll think about Thanksgiving

and you Koot, Christian: There's a civil war era. Quote your line. I said, North Carolina is a value of humility between two mountains that can see,

Koot, Christian: or whether it comes out of a moment where these colleagues and the elites and his colleagues are thinking about their relationship to each other in a way they haven't. Koot, Christian: Um. Is there a way of thinking about This Is not just a where this? Uh, you know, this usual is thinking about their kind of poverty in comparison to Virginia in South Carolina, where they wouldn't have. Koot, Christian: Yeah, thank you for that. Um. Yes, I think that is, Koot, Christian: that is one of the key things that is driving

it's broader modernization. Koot, Christian: What can the economic center of North Carolina be? Because the reason why it's for it? Not because, Koot, Christian: or Carolinians are doing something wrong right, but because it doesn't have the endowment. That other workplace do It's tobacco region is hemmed in by the um which means that they're sending stuff to you for. And else in your book to be out, Koot, Christian: it's cake, fear region. They try to go right. It never really works. Um, it, too, is kind of far away. Um, So they connected, you know. So it's connected to Charleston. So are trying to carve out that space between Virginia and Prophet like. I can say that pretty clearly with his road building itself, that this is a way of making sure that new becomes the follow

Koot, Christian: South Carolina. Um at the same time that a new kind in this. So I think maybe where I want to go, and it actually kind of connects the like thing right. And one of the one of the important things to Koot, Christian: the British Empire realizes that North America's future is not just as Koot, Christian: a Koot, Christian: fuel source to make the Caribbean work and some other stuff when happy. But it's Continental expansion um can be productive

Koot, Christian: that there's no attention about that. It's market for European manufacturers. I've been driving this this department, and my Revelation class and the market for manufacturers and North Carolina is in this period Koot, Christian: sort of pioneering this new agricultural possibility um, and and trying to. Koot, Christian: So I think you're right. I think I can make more of Koot, Christian: how it's trying to fit into its neighbor.

I mean, if they come up with an idea for terrific Governor's mansion in Boston. Koot, Christian: Yeah, I mean, I think you're right. But right. The politics of Boston wouldn't have a lot of that to happen in the same way. Um, Koot, Christian: you know. So the best example of that is actually which at the almost exact same time. I have to be a little bit more about this. Um. Koot, Christian: Almost nobody has working on it. Um!

Koot, Christian: Almost exactly the same time. New Jersey is trying to build a Koot, Christian: um, and Koot, Christian: and and they keep it the money for it. They start building and they stop them. Koot, Christian: Um, and I think that's about the the local support wasn't there in a way that it is in. I think that's a a fundamental part of this is why there is such mobile support for it that's not seen elsewhere.

Koot, Christian: Which is so. It's a really interesting argument in this story about trials that essentially, as I said, like monument to itself and the regulator. Koot, Christian: Those things are always connect, and they're connected because try on, and Koot, Christian: we've been fired all that with cannon, and it's It's a pretty Koot, Christian: uh,

Koot, Christian: and trying to get sort of try on in that moment just rolled into the This is an example of Imperial violence just after the right in the left, and the palace becomes part of that story in the scholars and literature. Koot, Christian: That's the policy. But annoying these regulators, it's a big thing to this at least simple for authority. This is why they are about Koot, Christian: uh here. So I

It seems Koot, Christian: slightly peculiar. Um! Koot, Christian: That you would spend all of this money. Koot, Christian: I was the governor, and people that look there, because,

Koot, Christian: uh, it's built, as you know, the the buildings that it fits with are Koot, Christian: so in that way it is really different than Koot, Christian: um. Koot, Christian: I mean Charleston.

Koot, Christian: So Koot, Christian: that's about it. Um, Koot, Christian: yeah,

It's not really. I think there's a lot of Koot, Christian: yeah that's a um.

Koot, Christian: Yeah, it's a great question. So they're rebuilding. I think the is your Koot, Christian: um. So it's funded by a Koot, Christian: um. And this is a moment in which Koot, Christian: it's about saying, you know we have it, and that colonial past is a route to.

Koot, Christian: I want to ask you about something you said you would talk about the Wi-fi, so I I don't I mean I I need to write about her Koot, Christian: So Margaret week. Koot, Christian: Um is the money in the family um comes from her father within an company official. One investor has been a Governor Bombay um try, and had been a military officer. Um, and then a Koot, Christian: and most

Koot, Christian: royal governor's wives didn't come with it. But she did, and not only did she come, but when he so he did a number of tours around North Carolina. We first came, and she went, and if you read the accounts of these tours, she's Koot, Christian: um per Koot, Christian: personality or hospitality, I mean she's the one that people Koot, Christian: um

Koot, Christian: they had. They hosted all the other events in the palace. Um, and she brought this and she what she brought with her. I was uh, essentially royal protocol Koot, Christian: from Britain to North Carolina. So we have, for example, in trials, paper papers, the order of entrance for one of these balls right, which is very mortal protocol kind of thing, which is almost completely unemployment of American period and the period. Um, So Koot, Christian: she writes about how it's completely nice. Koot, Christian: So the next question is, what? So? I think she's worked. Yes, and I understand. I think I mean I

Koot, Christian: uh the Governor, and it's designed. I was thinking like it's location being in the waterway where there's any simplest in the Koot, Christian: um. But yes, I mean it's designed to. If I have to, um, as you can see. Right. It's designed to be the the to be viewable on both sides the site. They think this elevated site. Koot, Christian: Um! They clear it right. They want it to be visible, coming down the trends Koot, Christian: and coming into the roads go right by it. Yeah, that the site is for exactly the the

Koot, Christian: commercial success. Okay, Koot, Christian: So um, I have. So one of the things that survives is hoxes um drawings of the gutters and the water management system on its side. Koot, Christian: I don't really know what to do with that yet, but so there are there are. I was in built into Koot, Christian: um,

Koot, Christian: and there are accessible um. So Koot, Christian: there's some of that. Anyone. Koot, Christian: Um. So he seems pretty heavily invested in this project, and he's had the architect he works with, and, for instance, cartographer, and then you say he leaves in like a year. We know how he felt about that. If I had invested all of this time and money in my career into this building in this town, and then he's like, Well, I got to go. So he is

Koot, Christian: like many of these, like great questions, like many of these kind of governors, incredibly ambitious. Koot, Christian: What he wants is a Koot, Christian: it's a promise that he's replaced the Koot, Christian: uh

Koot, Christian: because he can't get it. Koot, Christian: But my near him the exact same time that he is working on the palace and spending money Koot, Christian: he's already writing and saying, Koot, Christian: Where else can I go?

Koot, Christian: Uh what else can I do? Um, he's, in fact asked for originally in sixty, six. Um! So uh he actually wanted to go to to North Carolina. Um, Koot, Christian: Governor Um, The Governor of Virginia tries to convince Tryon to take his job so he can go to New York now. Koot, Christian: Um, Koot, Christian: but try on the connections that get him to before. So he's actually happy to.

Koot, Christian: Oh, Koot, Christian: which I do think it's all um you can take it all to your where you live in a ramshackle house. The governor's house in North Carolina is in the Port um, and it's kind of following down the period. Um, and he does advocate to rebuild it. Koot, Christian: It was not a Koot, Christian: no one particularly.

Koot, Christian: I mean, they complain about it stinks there's bugs, it's hot in it. It is like Koot, Christian: who in July Koot, Christian: power and order um as part one of the question. Koot, Christian: Okay,

Koot, Christian: Mark. So he's he. Since for a while, Yeah, mark Terry, who was Travis about five years, and then he's governor from a ship for a while, as in his control of North Carolina. Okay, Then they rebate. He actually goes smart and goes um along. He's not a military man. Koot, Christian: Thanks, Mike. Koot, Christian: I think it will take a lot of the anthropological history. Yeah,